What voices?

[rudywalsh]

Why do people hear voices when spirits can’t talk, in my experiences the spirit is a separate entity to our own, we have a voice box’s and that’s how we talk and communicate to each other, when a spirit is outside the body or in the body, it uses sense to say what it means through us via telepathy or intuition.
If you have accepted that we live in a spirit world, as suggested by even Albert Einstein that we do, then how do you think they would communicate besides dreams and visions?
How would spirits communicate to each other in a world beyond ours?
 

[Advent]

Who says sprits can’t talk, if I may draw upon my limited experience to try and explain this question?
      I can’t hear ghosts in waking consciousness, even thou for momentary second I can catch a glimpse of them, as well as feel their presence. But this is down to my limitation to my own gifts. Ghosts have talked to me in my sleep thou. Their method of communication is probably telepathy as you said. But because they once lived as flesh and blood, they can simulate everything that they were when they were alive (in the common sense of the word), and therefore can speak like we do. So when they speak to me in my sleep, I believe it’s the same way as they speak to each other, using their mouths as well as telepathy. It is a means of expression they won’t give up, and is part of their personality.
      I believe that when we speak using our vocal cords, we also transmit what we are saying by telepathy, because we are thinking what we are saying, and it leaks out. So we can speak to a ghost in our minds without speaking out loud, and they won’t miss a thing.
     If you read my story “My interactive ghost”, in Archive x, it will give you examples which I base my theory on.

[rudywalsh]

I enjoyed your story about Ann, although I have had many experiences with OOBE and spirits, I’m not too sure about ghost.
My step father stood before me three days after he had passed away, and when I looked at him, I felt he was telling me he was ok, I felt it, or sensed what he meant.
What is the difference between a ghost and a spirit, are they not the same?

I have experienced telepathy many times in my life, with people I know and strangers.
Sometimes when someone is talking and say for example they are talking about their mother, and are just about to say their age, I will see the mother’s age in my head in the form of a vision, a number.
A friend came to me excited because he had just bought a new car, he must have been thinking about the car, visualized it, because I saw it in my mind, and went on to describe the car and it’s colour and I was correct.
I believe that thinking is a method in which meanings are translated into thoughts, thoughts are then expressed by whatever means possible, talking usually, or whatever actions we decide to express with our thoughts.
I believe that thinking is a secondary system to sensing, we sense, think, and say what we mean.
It’s a bold statement what I’m about to say, but thinking is a primitive system in which to get around this world of ours (All animals think) because of the way we humans have evolved, with vocal chords, then we can express what we mean through thinking metaphorically  and so talk to each other using words.
When I was 13, I was staying 300 miles away from where my mother was staying. I sat down on a long bench at my aunts house when all of a sudden a warm feeling shot across my arms and chest, I knew then at 13 my mother had just died, there were no words or thinking involved, I sensed what was happening, through my own spirit that was connected to my mother’s spirit before she left this world.

Did you know that six seconds before you say what you are about to say, a part of your brain knows what you are going to say before you have said it, scientist discovered this a couple of years ago now by setting up sensors in parts of the brain.
When animals join together in great numbers, they also use a method of telepathy, we might call it ‘’Mass Hysteria’’ example, when birds gather in flocks and fly together over long distances, they fly left to right depending on where they are going, they do this in perfect motion with one another, simultaneously, fish do the same when in schools of millions, and buffalo.
Years ago in England, a group of about 10 school girls kicked another school girl to death in the streets, in broad daylight, each of the girl’s parents explained, no way would my little angel do something like this, my little girl wouldn’t hurt a fly, put your little girl with a pack of other little girls collectively, they become one, mass hysteria, a primitive form of telepathy.
Telepathy, at one with your surroundings, everything’s connected.
Everything is connected on this planet we call earth, be it flesh or mineral, it’s still made up by atoms that take on different forms, everything is made from the same material.
If you believe in evolution, then you will understand, that where we stand, was once a great ball of fire, that’s all there was, when the ball of fire cooled down, many moons later, hey presto, play station has arrived, we go dancing at night, we live in houses, we are surrounded by trillions of other species of animals, yet still, along with time, everything was forged from that great ball of fire from way back when, everything is connected in the material world, because it’s made from the same stuff.

Here I go again with my version of events, my theory I guess, please forgive me but this is how we folk with Aspergers (Autism) think.
Imagine a table with five cups of water; the cups are all the same, coming from the same manufactures, all from the same mould.
The water inside the cup is made up from a different material all together, a runny translucent liquid.
The cup symbolizes the material world, and the water symbolizes the spirit world.
Every now and then a splash of water reaches one of the other cups, water to water they make a connection, throw all the water together from each cup, and you have something that might resemble that place we have learnt to cherish in our minds called heaven, where everything is one, connected, and because it is connected as one, then sensing your way around has to be the logic way of communicating (Telepathy).

What is the difference between a ghost and a spirit?
A ghost seems to be a part of folk law handed down from generation to generation, a poltergeist, a noisy spirit, if a poltergeist is a ghost, as the Germans say, then a ghost must be a spirit, they are both the same.
Whenever I have an OOBE, I always refer to the entity before me as a spirit.
I’ve read on numerous occasions that ghost are spirits that have got left behind, because they are not ready to pass over to the world beyond yet, they are trapped here in limbo.
I have read also that a ghost is the spirit of someone who has unfinished business to attend too, and so don’t pass over to the other side until their mission is accomplished.
When it is time to go, pass over to the other side, of course your spirit will leave the body (Shell or machine) it can’t think no more because it’s not attached to the body, so it senses it’s way around you could say, because it senses then it knows literally everything, so why would a spirit remain in limbo when it knows nature has its course via destiny,’’ nothing last forever, just simply rearranged, everything changes, nothing remains the same’’, impermanent.
I think that you and Ann are so spiritually connected, time stands still for you, and so the impression you left of one another goes on and on, Ann must be a great piece of you that your spirit won’t ever let go off.
When some old people die and leave behind a lifetime partner, the one left behind suddenly becomes ill also, and dies shortly after, I believe when it’s time to go, it’s the spirit that ties up the knots to our destiny, nature plays her part, but the spirit always has control.

[rudywalsh]

I wonder if I’m on the right site, maybe been autistic and thinking differently the way I do, is a bit too much for folk who can’t grasp at the things I’m saying, I just flipped through some pages and people are talking about doing their laundry, maybe I would receive better feedback if I wrote about what socks I’m going to wear today, interesting umm...

[mslemon]

I wonder if I’m on the right site, maybe been autistic and thinking differently the way I do, is a bit too much for folk who can’t grasp at the things I’m saying, I just flipped through some pages and people are talking about doing their laundry, maybe I would receive better feedback if I wrote about what socks I’m going to wear today, interesting umm...

Thinking differently is fine. Sometimes (especially summer) things are slow here and feedback sporadic. Just hang in there, Rudy.

[Advent]

 Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. Thank you for reading my story "My interactive ghost". You gave me a lot to think about, and I agree with a lot you said in Sunday’s post.
I believe there is no difference between the words ghost and spirit, after all the church uses the terms the Holly Ghost and the Holly Spirit to describe the same entity. I prefer using the word ghost, because if I say "My interactive spirit", it could imply my spirit, as in I’m spirited. I also think soul has the same meaning.

[Espirit]

Rudy, actually I got a lot out of what you just wrote.  Some of it's a bit much for my own mind, but that doesn't mean I don't accept it.  It's a lot to chew on, but I follow ya.

And I got a good giggle out of the Play Station thrown in there.  Great stuff.  Great perspective. 

Believe me, I read this stuff, but if I'm quiet, I'm thinking about it.  A lot of my involvement on this forum is lurking, reading, and "chewing" on what everyone is contributing. 

[rudywalsh]

I’m sorry if I sounded a bit abrupt in my last statement on this page, Aspergers (Autism) is a very temperamental monster to live with at the best of times.
I meant no harm with what I said about feedback, I should be more patient.
Trust me when I say that my life can be very frustrating.
It can take me hours to write a simple message, I type with one finger on a virtual keyboard on my computer, this way my thoughts can be expressed at a slower pace, so as to say better what I mean, otherwise it might sound like a lot babbling.
If anyone knows someone with Aspergers, then you will know that we either don’t say much at all, or like myself, hyper active, high functional and say too much.
Imagine at times your thoughts being able to speed up, or slow down and stop, well this is how autism works for some of us, if we are lucky that is, if not, our thoughts become trapped with nowhere to go, and that’s what you might see with someone with severe autism, hence, they can’t express themselves, not as the so called experts have coined (A Social disorder) it’s a condition where we can’t always express ourselves, my theory is, the spirit expresses through us, but when the machine (Our body and brain) has a problem, then the spirit can’t get through.

I have been off this site for a few weeks now, I can’t control my mind when it comes to thoughts about the experiences I encounter every day of my life, for example last night I shook off an out body experience that was about to happen, in the day, twice I said what the man said on the TV before he said it, this morning I woke up at 0510am and opened the front door just as my wife was about to put the key in the lock, my wife works at night time, no matter what time she comes home, I wake up a minute before she gets in, a part of me knows when she is there, something I have done half my life with friends cats and dogs, strange I know, a form of telepathy.
I know how the spirit works; they say that people with aspergers are geniuses, (Whatever)
I will spend the rest of my life explaining how the spirit works, unfortunately we seem to be at that confused state where nobody know if we have a spirit or not, there was a time when someone like myself would have been locked up in a padded cell because we were misunderstood, now those same people who locked us up are realizing we might hold the answers to how the mind really works, I learnt years ago with a pocket dictionary and some very deep thoughts, along with my experiences, that I can work out how  (Our mind the spirit) works.
Once you have a lead, it never ends in the world of Aspergers.
They say that there are more questions than answers, well they are wrong, there are just as many answers as questions, just because we don’t have the answer, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
We man think we are so smart, well we are compared to our past, but in the future we will know everything, literally, thanks to our spirit which evolves through us over time, at present we have so much to learn and understand.
If we think that this is it, we have come as far as we can go with our superior brains, then boy are we in trouble.
We are mere slaves of time, we have to learn and understand that everything exist because of the spirit, I wonder how many people understand that time doesn’t really exist, it’s something we made up to help us understand (When) a reference for age, it also helps us measures distance (MPH )
Time doesn’t exist in the spirit world, something I learnt about 14 years ago with an experiment I did with an out of body experience.
Albert Einstein spent the last twenty years of his life trying to solve the theory of everything, he believed that there was a point we could reach that explained everything, what an amazing human being he was, because he was right, that point will be reached once we fully evolve, because the spirit does know everything, Albert Einstein also believed that if we could use our mind to its full potential, we would be pure energy, we wouldn’t need our bodies anymore, he was right once again, because the pure energy he was talking about is our spirit..
I would love to have met Albert Einstein, they say he had Aspergers because he had such focus, because he loved to spend time alone working out things, he was an introvert and extrovert all rolled into one. What no one has failed to mention, is about the most famous image of him, the one where he is sticking his tongue out to reporters, sticking your tongue out in the manner he did, is a trait of autism, I do it and have seen other people with autism do it also.

I will continue babbling on in the future on this site about my experiences and what I know about the spirit, it was always my intension anyway, imagine my mind being like an elastic band, when the band is relaxed and in its natural state, then I’m perceived to be normal, but once the band starts to stretch, you can see and hear that I have autism, stretch the band as far as it will go, something else takes over, then nobody recognizes me, until I’m relaxed again.
So from time to time, if I’m not on this site, you could say it’s because my mind has gone super nova LOL, but I will always be back.
I understand now that feedback can be none existent, although I do notice that people do take a peek at what we are writing, it’s a shame people don’t say something or anything, I’m so far ahead with what I know about the spirit, that people haven’t even thought of the questions I have the answers for yet.
I don’t believe we have a spirit, I know we do, trust me, it’s a very interesting and important subject, something I wish we all understood and knew about, but Like I said at the beginning of this post, I need to be more patient, we all get there in the end...

Espirit and editor, you are both kind souls, if only everyone else had your approach in life, then the world would be a much better place...

[mslemon]

Glad to see you back, Rudy. 


Sometimes I just read posts and don't write anything as I have nothing constructive to say.    Sometimes posts here are waaaaay over my head, too.    I do learn a lot here, however. But frequently, I can't think of any pertinent questions, so you are right in that assessment that questions haven't been asked that you may already know answers to.


Be patient with us, Rudy. It's a long slow journey for all of us.   

[Advent]

      I’m glad your back. Your last post gave me a lot to think about. I usually like to think my answers through before answering, hence the delay.
      When you talked about “sensing and meaning”, this seemed true to my own experiences. I have had contacts with ghosts in my sleep when I simply sense the meaning of what their trying to say. Also in my past life experiences, when I know the meaning of what was being said, rather than the words them selves, especially where French and Latin is being used. This must be the process in my past life story, “A Medieval Life”.
       I have read on the internet, that one in ten people are sensitive to ghosts. In waking consciousness my main gift is feeling a spirits or ghost’s presence. I sometimes catch a partial glimpse of them, only for a second, but I can never hear them, accept in my sleep.
      But I do believe sprits or ghost can think, because I also believe they are intelligent. In my story “My interactive ghost”, Raymond said he could sense ghosts. I could sense Ann’s presence in the room, so I prompted him “Can you feel anything now”. He positively responded with “Yes”. In my mind without saying anything out load, I asked Ann “will you let your presence known”. In less than two seconds he responded, “Get off me, get off me”. I then had to quickly calm him down. He told me, something touched his head, which is what Ann often does with me. Ann had very quickly answered my request. She could obviously read my mind.   
      I can also agree with you that ghost (spirits) have a deferent perception of time. They can refer to something that happened decades ago as if it happened yesterday. When Ann first came to me in my sleep thirty years ago, I told her “You are talking”, and when she visited me last year she said the same thing to me. It took me about half a week to remember the connection. She was apparently joking with me. It is a little embarrassing getting her joke that late.

[rudywalsh]

It’s good to be back again advent and to hear you are still in contact with Ann.
I believe that we are made up with two parts that come together as one, the spirit and then the body, it’s very complicated but fascinating at the same time, both parts are made up of different ingredients so as to work together and form life, instincts, senses, emotions, these three ingredients have somehow been misinterpreted to us by scholars over the years as belonging to the body and brain function, it’s easy to understand why we believe they do belong to the body and brain because nobody has ever really had anything else to work on, if you can’t see it then how do we even know it exist, this has always been the attitude towards ghost and spirits.

Fear protects us, a survival mechanism, an instinct that belongs to the body and brain (Animal) Marie Curie wrote ‘’ There is nothing to fear, only understand’’ once we conquer our fears (Fear of the unknown) then we start to enter the realm of our spirit (which knows everything)
This is called ‘’Acceptance’’ acceptance is a balance between instinct and sensing, once we start to accept certain situations then we are on our way to been connected to our spirit.
You have obviously conquered your fear of the unknown through acceptance and this able you to have a relationship beyond your instincts.
I’m sorry I make it sound so complicated, put it this way, Instincts belong to animals so as to find our way around the environment (Animal and plant kingdom)
Emotions are expressed via our spirit, they belong to the machine (Our body and brain) and they also belong to the spirit (The ghost in the machine)

Sensing is the key that opens all the doors to our instincts and emotions, the senses belong to our spirit, yes we do have 5 physical senses, but there are many more senses that make up the human condition.
I know that scientist have been playing around with the concept of more than just the 5 physical senses for decades now, but they don’t know how to fit the pieces of the puzzle together, they have all the pieces in front of them, but they can’t work out the big picture.
The greatest sense of all, is knowing, once we shake off our instinctive ways, we through our spirit will know everything, it’s fascinating to understand that a part of us does know everything, it’s simple, we will simply sense what everything is and means.

Don’t let anyone change what you know and believe advent, what makes everyone different is our experiences, experiences are the journey in which our spirit embarks in, you have obviously been given some gifts along the way, part enlightenment, it’s exciting...

[rudywalsh]

Advent, when you say in your post, that you didn’t say a word, and yet managed to relay what you meant, with a quick response from Raymond, was Raymond also a spirit or ghost?, it sounds like telepathy to me.
I surfed the net one day and came across a so called Swedish scientist by the name of Jim Westergren, he was telling people that it’s a fact that thinking comes from the spirit, I told him this was not true and went on to explain an out of body experience where my spirit was in the corner of the room and I was conscious In bed unable to move a muscle and yet I could still think.
With no explanation I never heard from him again, and yes, ghost or spirits are intelligent, they don’t have the matter we have between our heads called a brain, they cut to the chase and use a superior way of knowing things, they sense and know, the brain can only think, it’s not a full proof mechanism for knowing.

I have kind of answered your post with my second meeting rather than the first, please forgive me, my mind goes off into a world of its own sometimes, it always has and always will, I have the attention span of a hamster...

[Advent]

Sorry, maybe I didn’t explain it to well.
      Raymond was working for my father doing the washing up in the hotel. I was helping him finish off. He told me he could feel spirits. I could feel Ann’s presences at the time. So I had an idea to test Raymond’s psychic ability. So I asked him, could he feel anything now. He told me he could. I had a feeling that Ann could read my mind, and so I asked Ann in my mind, so Raymond could not hear my request, could she make her presence know to him. Raymond responded right away to Ann’s touch.
      It was a remarkable paranormal experiment. Ann had been very interactive. There were two of us in the same room sensing and feeling the same thing. This is why I titled my story, “My Interactive Ghost”.
      Unfortunately the experience freaked Raymond out, so I never repeated the experiment. To repeat the experiment would depend on Ann’s cooperation. Having been a member of this forum for a year now, I guess many people would have liked the experience of a ghost touching them. But as you could tell from my story, My Interactive Ghost, many people can’t handle experiencing the paranormal.
      I guess you are right, it could be described as telepathy, but it was between me and Ann, who is a ghost. She sometimes answers a question I have asked myself during the day. I can never know when she is listening in on my thoughts. It brings, not having any secrets to a bran new level.
                                                                       
   On the subject of the intelligence of ghosts, a couple of months ago, Ann asked me in my sleep, how do I find Archive X on the internet? I explained to her, she could use a search engine like Google, and type in Archive X, it is very often near the top of the page, or she could type in the URL address, wirenot.net. I started to spell it out to her, but she interrupted saying “I get the picture”.
    I think she was just curious, but then on the other hand, is the computer going to replace the Ouija board? I never used it my self thou.
 

[rudywalsh]

Hi Advent, it sounds like Ann is by your side all the time, which is a good thing. I to have spirits around me, I have no idea who they are, but I’m able to have different out of body experiences when I relax my mind, some of which I guess I’m not supposed to be having, one of two woman come to my aid and prevent me from going any further by snapping me out of my state of mind, my mother died when I was 13 years old, so it would be logic for me to think I’m accompanied by my mother’s spirit, but I know it’s not her, sometimes the spirits will hold my hands, and one has kissed me like a lover a few times. Imagine kissing someone and then a second later you come back to reality with no memory what so ever of the face that was in front of you, I guess I’m not allowed to know who they are.

It’s strange how telepathy works, but I do know it’s all around us if you know what to look for, for example, I was watching two children running the other day and at exactly the same time they fell, I’ve seen children fall on the ice at precisely the same time as well many other times before, our spirit works through us, although we are not aware of it, it’s always tuned in so to speak, our reactions can be similar to someone who might be close to us without a word spoken, without any communication what so ever.
People will always be afraid of the unknown, or sceptical if they have not had the same experiences themselves.
I was working in a bar with a friend, when two woman walked in and asked for a drink, my friend was by my side when I said to one of the woman, you are from Washington and your friend is from New York, they said this is true, how did you know that, I come from England and so I can’t tell you the difference with American accents, the woman had only been in Holland about half an hour before they came to our bar, so I had never set eyes on them before, the truth is I didn’t know where they came from, but somehow my spirit connected to them and then re-laid the knowledge through me, this has happened quite a few times before.

I have learnt and understood most of my life that we have a spirit, through my experiences I’ve worked out many things, we either turn to religion for the answers, or think we are going crazy, or like myself, accept it and try to learn more and more until we find the answers.
Imagine being part of a whole where everything is connected, the universe for example, to get from one end of the universe to the next would take no time at all, because you are a part of that whole, you are already there, because you are a part of the big picture, you would also know everything, telepathy would be the logic way to communicate, everything and everyone is one, a part of a big picture.
This is how it would work in the afterlife, our world or planet is also a whole, a separate whole all together, a different picture, where everything is connected, but life on the inside is part of another picture or whole, sometimes it’s possible that the whole (Our spirit) makes a connection to another spirit, because they are connected, only separated by flesh.
We live in a world where everything is connected, we use thinking to get around that world (All animals do)
But in the afterlife, a separate world, another dimension, we use telepathy.
Once we have evolved, then we will use telepathy in this world also, we are trying to become on the outside what we are on the inside, immaculate,  a spiritual sense.
Thinking is a clumsy fault filled mechanism, where as sensing and telepathy are faultless, no doubt the way we have to go in the future.
You must feel amazing with a positive outlook on everything with Ann in your life, I’m happy for you.
 
Forget the ouji board and computer when it comes to learning about spirits, what you have with Ann is far greater an experience to learn from...

[Advent]

    I’m glad you mentioned about kissing and holding hands with spirits, because the same things happen to me. I shied away from the subject, because I thought it would be too much for people to believe, it would be pushing the boundaries of belief. These experiences seem to happen within an out of body experience while I’m asleep, and I can hold Ann in my arms and kiss her. The experience couldn’t feel any more real. The first kiss happened last year, the same meeting with Ann as I mentioned in my story “My Interactive Ghost”, but I excluded that bit. 
    In my sleep I am also aware of other spirits. They are just voices thou. The night of the kiss I heard someone tell me “There’s someone here to see you”. I could see some other people in the background. I think I recognised one as an uncle of mine, who passed away many years ago. Then Ann’s face came into my vision. She seemed to want something, and then a voice prompted me to kiss her. When I approached her, I travailed very fast to another place, where I kissed her, and then she thanked me.