You must believe in your HEART that he came to this earth, lived as a man, died on the cross, and rose again. That is ALL that is required.
you vastly oversimplify that these are all the requirements to achieving eternity with Christ.
You were to FOLLOW and obey his teachings as well. Jesus mentioned that he is to fulfill the bible...not one word or iota of the laws will change. He never meant...not one iota will change until the prophecy is fulfilled which is what many Christians mistake. These are the exact reasons why so many of these types of "sinful" Christians exist. It's easy to say your a Christian...when it doesn't effect the person's lifestyle to change.
It is by faith in Christ alone that we enter heaven and NOTHING else.
again...to accept Christ means more than just the terminology of belief
. To have faith, means to live accordingly as your ideology precedes your lifestyle and enforces the theology.
HOWEVER, I do love this quote from antdog.
Man cannot get into heaven based on any of his worldly deeds be it good or bad
because it's true according to your doctrine...what does matter is heart..and that usually....dictates how one should behave accordingly to their faith...so I don't mean to take your words out of context. The post from me was more or less intended about the grandeur of heaven presiding our choices to follow God. It has huge factors to why believers choose Christianity to begin with...sometimes through fear (Catholicism) and sometimes fear of annihilation (death)
Abraham (the father of christianity, Judeaism (sp), and Muslims) was never promised heaven for following God
Muslims are promised heaven actually. You are only looking at your own version of old test within your own doctrine. Muslims speak of it in terms of paradise actually. It's in the Qu'ran.
Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 4:51, Narrated Abu Huraira
The Prophet said, "A place in Paradise as small as the bow or lash of one of you is better than all the world and whatever is in it"
There are many many quotes.
So, please don't infer my lack of knowledge because of a perceived offense when I pose questions without ill intent. You read my words as if they incur some type of vitriol when I think real Christians or atheists should be able to ask whatever they believe without fear of condescension. (FYI-you also infer that I have never been part of bible study, which i have,and that I lack knowledge, not based on misinformation, but because I disagree with your doctrine.
Can a person like Stalin make it into heaven and a person like Billy Grahm (sp) still go to hell. In my view and understanding of the bible the answer is without a doubt YES. It all depends on that persons heart
i agree...but your missing the original question I asked...Would many contemporary believers choose their lifestyle IF (hypothetically) they only had one life and no after...which was never answered by the way. Whether heaven was created
before man not for
is irrelevant to the original question, which again...was never answered at all. Yes or no...and a simple explanation why you think so.
So Billy grahm did good deeds, fed the hungry, help the week, but he trully didn't believe in Christ in heart
I believe your bible is clear that no one can know anyone's heart but God and is classic example taken by "real" believers by adopting the mentality "he/she wasn't a real Christian" as if that had merit. Fact is...we don't know anyone's heart...and to indulge your Stalin argument for a second. God would want Stalin to hang out in heaven as long as he chooses God/Jesus? If a man should be judged by what he has done in his life, let it represent him in death as well.
Would you want our justice system to represent God's logic too? If criminals were to be allowed "free" if whatever they did was just to repent? My friend...just because you truly truly truly truly truly truly truly repent from whatever sin you might have offended...there's a thing called relapse...I've seen it many many times in my acquaintances that are heartfelt in their repenting only to "sin" again. You or I can say that they never truly "repented", but that's like saying we know truly where their heart is. Boy...if you could see a grown man cry...it is not me to judge where his heart lies.
Thanks for the backup ElementalElder, but I think your anger and your opinion are just as important as Antdogs as well. I would be very disappointed if either of you were censored, but maybe you could enlighten your current status on why you believe what you believe. Sometimes passion can leave little for room discussion unless it can inspire all of us.
+1 for the "cat lady" just for "being my friend....with open arms....i mean...open hands! lol